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RCEberwein



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: SMALL CAPS (Again) -- Got no answer to Feb 21 question Reply with quote

I am really confused by this instruction on the Formatting Guidelines page
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Please format the first word(s) in the chapters as small caps (Match the scan)

Because at times it appears at odds with itself.

Ex. 1. On this page I marked-up the first word (which has a 'drop-cap' T) as: <sc>TICK</sc> because after getting no answer to my (confused) question (Feb 21) I went by the instructions & the previous foofing patterns I could find.

Now I'm foofing another issue and I think that I was wrong before (even though F2 accepted it).

Since the 'ICK' are the same size as the rest of the capitals on the page--not small-caps--I should have done: TICK

On page699 there is a chapter 1st word which IS mixed-case small-caps: What's ==> <scWhat's</sc>

So, for Chap FIRST word(s), should we "Match The Scan", or make ALL CAPS ==> Small Caps?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: SMALL CAPS (Again) -- Got no answer to Feb 21 question Reply with quote

Hi:

Sorry you did not get a reply yet from your February request. I noticed your second message earlier today and was hoping the PM might stop in to address the Caps question. Since this is an Uber Project, as you mentioned, the separate issues should be uniform in formatting, the PM or PP needs to make a global decision.

Don't fret over the prior issue formatting that you did. It will all sort out at the PP stage. The FORUM notes that you left will alert the PPer what to watch for. Thanks for pointing out the difference in formatting Very Happy

The guidelines for drop caps is confusing because of the difference of treatment by PPers. You should expect some clear answer here shortly.


RCEberwein wrote:
I am really confused by
this instruction on the Formatting Guidelines page
Quote:
Please format the first word(s) in the chapters as small caps (Match the scan)

Because at times it appears at odds with itself.

Ex. 1. On this page I marked-up the first word (which has a 'drop-cap' T) as: <sc>TICK</sc> because after getting no answer to my (confused) question (Feb 21) I went by the instructions & the previous foofing patterns I could find.

Now I'm foofing another issue and I think that I was wrong before (even though F2 accepted it).

Since the 'ICK' are the same size as the rest of the capitals on the page--not small-caps--I should have done: TICK

On page699 there is a chapter 1st word which IS mixed-case small-caps: What's ==> <scWhat's</sc>

So, for Chap FIRST word(s), should we "Match The Scan", or make ALL CAPS ==> Small Caps?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see these:

<sc>Tick</sc> and <sc>What's</sc> -- if it's a Drop cap, please *convert* it to mixed case and add the small cap mark up.

I like this too Very Happy
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_F_IRST word only... ==> <sc>First</sc> word only...

_A_ SECOND word ... ==> <sc>A second</sc> word ...


I hope I answered what you needed Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response for which I also waited. It's too late now for me to fix my pages in F1. It apparently moved on to F2 about the time the site went down.

Site has been strange today -- have to sign in every time I go to another page/project even tho' I haven't signed out nor even left the site to go elsewhere. :shrug:

This needs mentioning on the Young Folks Wiki page, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: First Letter Illios Reply with quote

Should we be putting [Illustration] markup for those illustrations that are part of the first letter of some of the poems, etc., as on png 741? Normally for a 'decorative' drop cap, I would just ignore it, but these illios are quite large, and are more than just a decorative letter.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: First Letter Illios Reply with quote

cmspence wrote:
Should we be putting [Illustration] markup for those illustrations that are part of the first letter of some of the poems, etc., as on png 741? Normally for a 'decorative' drop cap, I would just ignore it, but these illios are quite large, and are more than just a decorative letter.

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Hi Carol,

It's not necessary... all the issues start that way. There are a few stories, too, in some issues that also have them.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: First page - totally confused Reply with quote

On the front page, there's a poem beginning "My window". The word window is small caps, that's clear, but the "My" is like a manuscript illustration. I don't know what to do with it. I think the previous messages in this forum were about this issue, but I still don't understand them.

Also there are two other things on the page I don't know what to do about. There's the volume, date and number all on one line. There should be tabs or something, to keep them separate, but what?

Also, the registration, i.e. "entered according to act of congress..." I see by this forum that it should be retained, but is it a footnote, or is it a block quotation, or what?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: First page - totally confused Reply with quote

naomi r wrote:
On the front page, there's a poem beginning "My window". The word window is small caps, that's clear, but the "My" is like a manuscript illustration. I don't know what to do with it. I think the previous messages in this forum were about this issue, but I still don't understand them.


Warmheart has said there is no need to mark them as illustrations, so treat as regular text. As the "MY WINDOW" are the first words of the chapter, and the wiki for this series of periodicals asks that they be marked as small caps, the <sc></sc> tags are necessary:

Code:
THE THREE LIGHTS

<sc>My window</sc> that looks down the west,
...


Quote:
Also there are two other things on the page I don't know what to do about. There's the volume, date and number all on one line. There should be tabs or something, to keep them separate, but what?


Never use tabs, only ever spaces with the space bar. I would format that line as follows, with six spaces between each part:
Code:

/*
<sc>Vol. II.</sc>      JANUARY, 1866      <sc>No. I.</sc>
*/


The wiki referenced above shows this line as a table in the html sample given.

Quote:
Also, the registration, i.e. "entered according to act of congress..." I see by this forum that it should be retained, but is it a footnote, or is it a block quotation, or what?


It is not a footnote but part of the title page details. I would move it to above the poem with a note.

Code:

[**moved from bottom of page]Entered according to Act of Congress, in the year 1865, by <sc>Ticknor and Fields</sc>, in the Clerk's
Office of the District Court of the District of Massachusetts.


Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:39 am    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thank you, that's very clear
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch for an F1 who places illustrations in the middle of paragraphs, altering the lines to accommodate, instead of at para breaks, page 98 in this volume is an example!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Message sent.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: contractions Reply with quote

I've noticed at least one instance of contractions being closed up by proofers (Volume 2, Issue 6), page 324 (4th line from the bottom). Is this preferred, or should the spacing have been left?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There do not appear to be any special proofreading instructions so the proofreading guidelines would apply.

Very Happy The example given in the proofreading contractions guideline is wouldn't. Very Happy

Quote:
Remove any extra space (or partial space) in contractions. This was often an early printers' convention, where the space was retained to indicate that 'would' and 'not' were originally separate words.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Contractions Reply with quote

Jacqueline -

I didn't see anything either in comments, but just wanted to make certain.

Thank you for such a rapid reply.
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